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[QUOTE="Rumme1, post: 2979633, member: 182441"]
In response to people who claim that games like PLO- omaha are more luck involved,  I disagree.

First off, with PLO ,  the betting strategy now becomes a bit more of a factor along with the ability to be able to fold strong hands by knowing that you are now playing a combination of 9 total cards, instead of 7 like hold em.

NL hold em, and the very nature of the coin flip// all in preflop hands, which will have to be played in the course of sessions, truly makes it a game that involves a deeper level of luck .

IMHO, one of the best ways to evaluate if you are a lucky NL hold em player, is to study your results with the all in coin flip hands over the course of a year or more.  If your stats reveal that those 50/ 50 hands, result in you  losing 75% of the time, over the longterm, then NL holdem , is gonna be a much harder grind , when compared to other players that win those same coin flip hands 50 -60-75 % of the time, over the longterm.

For me personally, NL hold em , has always been the game that treats me the worst, when it comes to those coin flip hands along with KK and AK , being a regular losing hand for me over the years. If you lose the majority of coin flip hands, along with losing constantly with KK and AK,  then its gonna be difficult to turn NL hold em, into a profitable game , even if you have other skills.
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