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Message: [QUOTE="OzExorcist, post: 2402080, member: 23910"] It's not always collusion, as it doesn't necessarily require two players to be working together to break the rule. It just requires the player checking the nuts to not want to take chips off their opponent, and their opponent doesn't necessarily have to be complicit in that. But it [b]is[/b] always soft play, and that's against the rules for good reason. I agree with pretty much everything Negreanu says in the video FWIW - tournament directors and floor people absolutely should have some discretion in whether they apply penalties or just give warnings or whatever depending on the situation. In fact pretty much the very first thing Robert's Rules of Poker says is that TDs/floors should always use their best judgement depending on the situation, even if that judgement goes slightly against the technical rules. I disagree absolutely with him on the checking the nuts rule though - and LukeSilver has given us a great example of why in the post right above. He did it for other reasons (which, as discussed above, I think are silly), but without the betting the nuts rule people could soft play or collude on certain tournament bubble (and other) situations with impunity. [b]Again, there are no good reasons to check the nuts on the river in position.[/b] Long story short: I don't think anybody has supplied any good reasons for actually getting rid of the rule. What they [i]have[/i] done is supplied good reasons (casuals, genuine mistakes, etc) why tournament directors and floor people should be given discretion in whether they need to impose a penalty or not. [/QUOTE]

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