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Message: [QUOTE="OzExorcist, post: 1998643, member: 23910"] Here's the relevant rules from [URL="http://www.homepokertourney.com/roberts-rules-of-poker.htm#SECTION_5_-_HOLDEM"]Robert's Rules Section 5, Hold 'em[/URL] (assuming Foxwoods follows Robert's Rules or some close approximation of them): [INDENT]5. If the dealer burns and turns before a betting round is complete, the card(s) may not be used, even if all subsequent players elect to fold. [B]Nobody has an option of accepting or rejecting the card. [/B]The betting is then completed, and the error rectified in the prescribed manner for that situation. 8. A dealing error for the fourth boardcard is rectified in a manner to least influence the identity of the boardcards that would have been used without the error. The dealer burns and deals what would have been the fifth card in the fourth card’s place. After this round of betting, the dealer reshuffles the deck, including the card that was taken out of play, but not including the burncards or discards. The dealer then cuts the deck and deals the final card without burning a card. [B]If the fifth card is turned up prematurely, the deck is reshuffled and dealt in the same manner.[/B] [/INDENT](emphasis added by me) Rule 5 is very clear, and so is the action in your case - the betting round wasn't complete because the big blind hadn't acted yet, and therefore the card can't be used. If they follow Rule 8 and reshuffle the deck stub before redealing the river then your EV isn't affected because the way the river was "originally dealt" was [B]never[/B] going to be allowed to stand. It's simply not valid to compare your EV on the redeal to the "original deal". It should be unchanged compared to when you and the button got your stacks in though. Like I said, it's an unfortunate situation because the button was clearly angle shooting to get a better river card for himself. Even angle shooters can be in the right from time to time though. Technically this isn't correct either. [URL="http://www.homepokertourney.com/roberts-rules-of-poker.htm#SECTION_2_-_HOUSE_POLICIES"]The actual line in Robert's Rules is this[/URL]: [INDENT]1. Management reserves the right to make decisions in the spirit of fairness, even if a strict interpretation of the rules may indicate a different ruling. [/INDENT]Note that it references "fairness", not "restoring a hand to its intended outcome". Nobody knows that the big blind was [B]definitely[/B] going to fold, even though he claimed he was going to afterwards. It's not fair to you or the button that the big blind should get to make his decision with more information than you. It's not fair to the button if he's drawing and he's denied the opportunity to get a better price on his draw by having the big blind fold - after all, he hasn't done anythig wrong either. It sucks for you to go through this, you've clearly done nothing wrong, but I still think the floor made the right decision, both in terms of fairness [B]and[/B] a strict interpretation of the rules. And think about it this way - if the misdealt river had've been a card that put the button ahead, instead of a brick, would you have complained when the floor ordered it to be redealt? [/QUOTE]

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