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Message: [QUOTE="ChuckTs, post: 424165, member: 467"] Look at it this way; if you don't play by the odds, you aren't giving yourself every tool possible to be a potentially better player. Yes reads and bluffing are a HUGE part of poker, but they're not the only part of it. You also have to keep in mind that most of the hands we talk about in the HH section are from online poker, which as you know is much different from live poker - not that live poker doesn't involve odds aswell, it's just that online, you don't have the same reads available, so you rely much more on the maths behind the cards. I used to play completely ignoring the odds; I didn't even know what they were. In fact I'm still only just learning to calculate them 'on the spot'. I was still successful. I was pretty damn successful, if you ask me - I built a very solid bankroll without depositing a cent. You can still be successful by ignoring the odds to a degree, or maybe even fully, but by not using them you are depriving yourself of one of (if not [I]the[/I]) the most valuable tools in the game. Why do you think you see all the pros - people who make 10s of thousands, 100s of thousands and millions a year playing poker - writing books about poker play and most of them are based on odds? Look at Harrington for example; a guy who has multiple times reached the final table of the ME, bases his game completely on odds. You talk about poker being all about reads; say I have KJ of spades, and the board shows 8sTs2h and my opponent bets an amount that is giving me bad odds. Of course the odds mean nothing if I know my opponent to be an aggressive player who bets more than the pot every hand (of course an exaggerated example). I might push in this situation; of course the odds don't dictate that, but that's what I feel might win me the pot. Likewise to ignoring odds, if you ignore your reads and mental notes on a player, you are also depriving yourself of a major tool that will make you a hugely better player. IMO, it's all about balance. [/QUOTE]

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