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Message: [QUOTE="TNRounder, post: 1344993, member: 62984"] I'm sure this question has been asked many times but I have to ask it again. I'm realitively new to texas hold em in that I have just started trying to really develop the math side of my game and not play totally on instinct. I have several odds calculators that I have down loaded and use them to check the "equity" calculations I make in my head. Problem is I'm almost always wrong. I had hold em drill sergeant or something like that and i can NEVER get the hand equity right... is there a difinative formula to use? how do I calculate the hand equity when I'm ahead especially after the river? assuming i know and understand the rules of 2 and 4 and the basic formula of Z:1 Z=(X/Y)-1:1 X=unknown cards Y=outs. where am I going wrong??? [/QUOTE]