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Message: [QUOTE="Makwa, post: 1505202, member: 27402"] Thanks, very good point. Lets make one point clear: In HE, depending on reads, position SSs, etc., [B]any two cards are playable[/B] and winnable. Shoving PF SS in a tourney situation a case in point, also Cbetting dry or wet boards, floating etc...if you deny them good odds, they should fold. In PLO, [B]any four cards are not playable[/B] unless they have strong potential, because shoving pre or bluffing postflop are way less profitable/instantly winnable. Redraws are getting odds in PL to stack you if they catch. Talkin the TAG line here, I know some people think any 4 will do... sry for deleting the rest of yr post jazz but that is right too... [/QUOTE]