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Message: [QUOTE="cAPSLOCK, post: 1460484, member: 42960"] We are in a giant catch 22 because of this, I think. Online poker has created a situation where a good player can actually approach a "mathematically perfect" game without wanting to kill himself while he waits for his spots, and though HUDs are certainly a tool that facilitates this multi tabling is the real culprit. Huds are only really required when you are playing such a gigantic player pool all at once and so quickly that you need the detailed information to give you the edge to play such quantity. If folks couldn't multitable it would be far harder to have the discipline needed to play a mathematically perfect game. But when 90%+ (before you refute that number which I pulled from my buttocks consider that every good player player is more like 10+ players and every fish is just 1) of the players at a given stake are doing a reasonably good job then NL holdem becomes the wrong game. Dusty compared playing NLHE to LHE because of the skilled player base. And it makes sense. The real reason to play NLHE has been removed from the game, or quite diluted. You NEED players who are willing to put giant amounts in the pot at the wrong time, and there just aren't as many. So NLHE becomes folding and flipping for stacks against players who have a decent idea about their equity. Coin flipping might be more profitable as long as there is no rake. Online multitabling hudbot types love to make fun of some of the older live pros, but I have always felt it was misplaced lol'ing as they are two different kinds of players. There is a reason the highest level cash players LOVE things like DEEP stacks, straddles and antes. They know that it forces players out of the safe shallow end of this purified, stylized game and back into poker. I for one think multitabling and huds are terrible for the game. But there is no way Tilt or Stars is ever gonna not let people multitable is there? :) [/QUOTE]

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