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Message: [QUOTE="jaymfc, post: 3093491, member: 20325"] only a fish would believe everything they have accomplished in poker or life was due to the math. luck runs so strong in life and poker. are some people born smarter or better off than others ? lucky. and a million other things like that, but I'll stick to poker. did you see the "against the odds play" by Chris moneymaker, Jamie gold, Jerry yang or many of the winners of the WSOP? mathematically those same plays won't work in the "long haul" but how is the long haul gonna get that money back? it can't take the title back. is that lucky? I 100% know what you are saying and totally agree on the mathematics. but long haul doesn't even apply to most people. luck does . I'm not one of the lucky ones who can explain his side well but believe me when I tell you luck is a part of everything in life including poker. good luck :p JMO :) [/QUOTE]