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Message: [QUOTE="zingbust, post: 2042645, member: 5963"] I used to think these were coin flips because I swear I looked it up and in most cases, if the pair isn't too low, the overcards were only a slight underdog, like 48% - 52% or even 49% - 51%...then recently I looked it up again and the pair actually has a huge edge over unsuited overcards, more like 55% - 45%....I guess they found a flaw in the arithmetic or something and fixed it on the cardplayer odds calculator....either that or my memory is completely off....sheesh, all these years I've been overplaying AK and underplaying pairs all because of this miscalculation. But it's still true that a very low pair like deuces or treys is a slight underdog to a hand like J 10 suited,. [/QUOTE]