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Message: [QUOTE="formertroll, post: 4407963, member: 320503"] in the first situation i would have played just like you did. after the flop if your villian has a Jack he has 9 outs to hit on the turn (not counting straights and flushes that did not exist on this board) so he has about an 18% chance on the turn and then again on the river so you made him pay much more than that to see the cards. there's always the chance he had flopped trips or was holding a pocket pair that could hit, but those odds would only add a few outs. good playing, bad luck. i'm not surei understand the second one enought to comment [/QUOTE]