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Message: [QUOTE="ninjareal, post: 4842879, member: 323567"] Hi Phil , very nice having you here btw , fantastic actually , I'm mostly a NL player but play some PLO on the side , more just for fun at home live games, however seemed a nice fit for me, more recently plsying online plo inbetween nl matches , so one thing I'd like to ask is what to do with a maniac in the game ? always bets pot etc (msybe on tilt from s big loss) , since in NL we do "flips" in plo I don't see how a flip could work ? I get maybe try isolate the opponent to lessen losing chances, however when other players notice the maniac play they tend to loosen right up as well , I get quite patient at such times hoping for KKQQ or such hand i.e trips from either on flop, however I eventually lose patience and recently shoved on him with 99xx and faded all cards to beat him , I didn't feel good about it though as I got 2 callers and seemed I won by luck , I mean what are the odds vs 2 players allin that 1 pair is good to the river !? anyway it got me thinking about flips, do they exist in plo ? I would guess against any single opponent I could win say 30% of the time with a pair ? just a shot in the dark guess from me.... I also wanted to ask about pot control in plo , may seem silly since plo is controlled by the pot size at any moment, however with small stack that pot gets huge real quick vs stack size, and some maniacs can bet huge with just a draw, my idea for pot control was to at least get to the river and prevent any "miracle" rivers for my maniac, when no flush or boats get there it is harder for him to bluff at, I hope I made some sense in these questions/ideas ? NL seems much easier to identify bluffing, prevent drawing hands, squeeze etc.... thanks again for your time :) go CC for a great community [/QUOTE]

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