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Message: [QUOTE="Weregoat, post: 1563561, member: 62741"] LOL. I <3 Poker Orifice. Once again I am humbled by your knowledge and more experience in this lane of poker. Truth be told, I can't read a thread that interests me without trying to sound like an expert and typing at least a million words. I guess in the spirit of doing so, I could take a look at your analysis of my analysis. 1.) is way out there imo. [B]Well he's got 5 BBs. Either he got low and started shoving, or he's been getting dealt garbage after garbage and the blinds have been eating away at him. Either way, he doesn't have a terribly strong range in this spot, and in the spots he does have a monster hand, it's not that terrible considering his stack doesn't crush phil's.[/B] [B]Phil is leaps and bounds and a short car-ride beyond where I HOPE to be skill wise, let alone where I am. The fact that Dusty approved on such a call and it would be a *fold 90+% of the time* for me, and Phil actually made the call means I can learn a bit from it - not saying call jams for a third my stack with T4s every time, but if his call was based on the assumption that one pair would improve him to the best hand, he was correct. And I don't see an error here, provided that is the reason he made the call.[/B] 2.) again... I doubt he plays to lose (I know of many higher buyin MTT players who'll treat a $5 buyin the same as a $500.. as far as playing to win goes) [B]True. While money is money and poker is poker, I don't think Phil was just 'playing around with the chips', but the difference between winning this tournament and losing it is marginal in the long run for him, so while it could have been Phil saying "against his range, I've got pot odds" or "I could even be ahead here" or "I'll show them to quit trying to steal my blinds!" or whatever was going through his head, it could have very well been a "meh. I want a beer and to increase my chipstack. I'll call and go get a beer as the hand plays out." Or maybe even a tuna sandwich. Only Phil knows.[/B] 3.) he needs to be shoving/folding with the stack he has here prior to this hand.. he 'might' have FE on a shove over an LP raise with his current stack.. but I doubt it.. any decent player shoving with resteal stacks on their left shouldn't be opening so wide that they wouldn't be calling off to a 20bb resteal shove. Will the call negatively impact his stack... a bit.. but not alot. Will winning the pot increase his chances... yes.. as he'll actually have a stack he might be able to resteal with & openshoves may actually pick up the blinds [B]I actually forgot what this was in response to and my laziness prevents me from checking so I may make a counter argument. So for the sake of preserving my laziness, I agree with you.[/B] 4.) Doubt he's putting villain on this specific of hands... more likely a range of hands villain'd be shoving here with (imo). [B]Yes. And a lot of the hands he is shoving with fall into Phil's range of being live against, justifying the call.[/B] Just my thoughts... regarding 'your' thoughts... that is.. 'your thoughts if you were Phil G.'.. lol Always love to interact with ya PO, but I lost my train of thought when my friend (who looks like Beeker from the Muppets) came in to ask me about Dragon Age. So there. [/QUOTE]

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