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Phil Helmuth - Great player or overrated ?
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[QUOTE="dmorris68, post: 1546988, member: 40397"] ^^^ It's certainly not outside the realm of possibility for him to earn another bracelet I suppose, it's just that his game isn't what it used to be, and [U]the [/U]game isn't what it used to be back when he was on top of the game. If that makes sense. :) And I really don't know about how he'll do in non-NLHE games. He's always been a NLHE tournament specialist. 7 of his 11 bracelets are in NLHE, with 3 in Limit, and 1 in Pot Limit. And you can see from his winnings list how he started out like gangbusters but then seriously slowed down since the poker boom post-2003 which was another watershed moment in the evolution of the game that just left him behind. He's only won 2 since, the last in 2007. I obviously can't say he'll *never* win another bracelet, but I think the odds are much more against him than his successors. From Wikipedia:[INDENT][SIZE=1][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_World_Series_of_Poker"]1989[/URL] $10,000 No Limit Hold'em World Championship $755,000 [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_World_Series_of_Poker"]1992[/URL] $5,000 Limit Hold'em $168,000 [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Series_of_Poker"]1993[/URL] $1,500 No Limit Hold'em $161,400 1993 $2,500 No Limit Hold'em $173,000 1993 $5,000 Limit Hold'em $138,000 [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_World_Series_of_Poker"]1997[/URL] $3,000 Pot Limit Hold'em $204,000 [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_World_Series_of_Poker"]2001[/URL] $2,000 No Limit Hold'em $316,550 [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_World_Series_of_Poker"]2003[/URL] $2,500 Limit Hold'em $171,400 2003 $3,000 No Limit Hold'em $410,860 [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_World_Series_of_Poker"]2006[/URL] $1,000 No Limit Hold'em with rebuys $631,863 [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_World_Series_of_Poker"]2007[/URL] $1,500 No Limit Hold'em $637,254 [/SIZE][/INDENT]And in winnings, sure he's 4th all time over the 21 years since his ME win, but look who's ahead of him now in just the past relatively few years: 1st - Phil Ivey 2nd - Daniel Negreanu 3rd - Jamie Gold (LOL, one-hit-wonder and all around pretty bad poker player) In summary, as much as we love to hate the guy, I give Helmuth credit for his tournament poker skills over the last couple of decades. He also has an uncanny ability to read people and make heroic laydowns. And he's obviously a very charitable and stand-up guy away from the tables. I just think his big winning days are behind him. I'd like to be proven wrong though, as I'm interested in seeing how he would act and how much more his ego would inflate if he were to pull down another ME win. :) [/QUOTE]
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