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Message: [QUOTE="onemorechance, post: 1547111, member: 70463"] Isn't it obvious? He's saying that in any other competition, the amount of trophies you win determines your reputation. The problem with his analogy is that it doesn't really work. Just because someone/some team won competitions 20, 30 years ago and were great then, doesn't mean they're/they would be great now. Phil might have been a great tournament player like 20 years ago, but he's not one of the best in the world right now, just like a football team who titles 30/40 years ago might not succeed in today's game Oh fwiw, I'm talking about football as in soccer Edit - I explained that really bad but whatever, it's readable. Just. Cliffs - Phil used to be great, now he isn't. This is based on no experience of playing with him whatsoever [/QUOTE]