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Message: [QUOTE="Michael Paler, post: 2169095, member: 96446"] Well, telling me I needed glasses was a little over the top. I figured that was your mistake - you never, when discussing a hand, include what the outside observer knew at the time seeing all the hands. Only what the players could see. Otherwise, you risk taking away incredibly inaccurate conclusions from the discussion.:stupido2: Yet, you are correct - he did not want to give a flush draw a cheap shot at it. That being said, sometimes you have no choice, [I]like when it is a 3 way pot with lots of aggression.[/I] If you flat call and a non-flush card lands on the turn and then they both still show aggression, you might realize it is another set. I'm telling you, I have seen him get away from a bottom set before. It's one of the hardest things to do, yet I have seen Ivey do it. He is one of the few smart enough to make the great escape of poker. [/QUOTE]