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Message: [QUOTE="StormRaven, post: 1376503, member: 53047"] ^^^I agree with both these posts, plus I want to add in 2 more points: 1. Some men refuse to read a road map - or an instruction manual - so I do believe it when Phil says he never read a poker book. 2. My grandfather was a pro. He did read some books when they became available, but before then, he practiced. My grandfather literally spent 20+ hrs a week sitting on the floor in his living room or in the motel room he was staying at, watching tv and dealing out practice hands on the floor to calculate odds. That's some serious dedication and it's not completely unfathomable that others would self-study as well without the use of a book. *As a side note, if you are struggling with your game and not improving in this day and age, then it would be silly to not take advantage of all the material that is now available to players. [/QUOTE]