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Message: [QUOTE="Four Dogs, post: 3577475, member: 2668"] Here's what I found in [URL="http://www.homepokertourney.com/roberts-rules-of-poker.htm"]Roberts Rules of Poker[/URL] [B]THE SHOWDOWN[/B] [I]1. To win any part of a pot, a player must show all of his cards face-up on the table, whether they were used in the final hand played or not.[/I] That's ALL of his cards. In the situation I described the player showed only one card. The second card, while clearly identifiable was also clearly mucked. And then there's this: [B]PROCEDURES[/B] [I]23. Looking through the discards or deck stub is not allowed.[/I] That's exactly what the dealer did. But then there's this: [B]DECISION-MAKING[/B] [I]1. Management reserves the right to make decisions in the spirit of fairness, even if a strict interpretation of the rules may indicate a different ruling.[/I] and this: [B]DEAD HANDS[/B] [I]2. Cards thrown into the muck may be ruled dead. However, a hand that is clearly identifiable may be retrieved and ruled live at management’s discretion if doing so is in the best interest of the game. An extra effort should be made to rule a hand retrievable if it was folded as a result of incorrect information given to the player.[/I] [I]"The Spirit of Fairness"[/I] and the [I]"Best interest of the game"[/I] are a matter of perspective but I do think it's applicable in the hand I described, especially since no deception was intended and neither of the losing hands protested. Although I probably would not have spoken up myself if I had been involved in the hand I don't think it was the place for anyone not involved in the hand to do so and I might have been a bit peeved if I had been on the losing end of it, and I definitely think that it should always be ruled dead in a tournament. There are many situations where inexperienced players make seemingly innocent mistakes that work both in our favor and against. I'm sure most of us would call a string bet at the final table if it were to our benefit. I know it sounds unfair, but poker isn't a garden party, it's a competition. Experience and lack thereof are elements of the game and the house should be very careful when applying ill defined concepts such as "spirit of fairness" or "best interest of the game" (Are you reading this Roger Goodell?). I think back to a WSOP hand a few years ago where a woman was all in preflop with AA and the dealer accidentally mucked her hand. "In the spirit of fairness" it was ruled just a Call but she was not allowed to retrieve her cards and forfeited any claim to any part of the pot. A raw deal for sure but to be fair, dealers work long exhausting shifts and she did not protect her cards. Here's an interesting exception to the "[I]show both cards[/I]" rule. [B]RULES[/B] 9. You must declare that you are playing the board before you throw your cards away. Otherwise, you relinquish all claim to the pot. (The rule for tournament play is you must retain your hand and show it if asked, in order to win part of the pot.) I think what it's saying is that in a cash game you can muck your cards and still win (or split) the pot if you declare that you're playing the board. I never heard that before. [/QUOTE]

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