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Message: [QUOTE="thepokerkid123, post: 1427491, member: 58945"] Don't look for tells. Seriously. Deep breathing - easy to fake, and it only tells you your opponent is excited which can mean they have a gut shot and feel lucky, or it can mean he's played poker for more than a day and a half and has seen it before and is faking it. Tells that are easy to fake are good against really, really bad players, anyone who's not forgetting to post their blinds probably knows about this tell which makes it unreliable. Shaky hands: Don't watch it, seriously... quick story, at the end of a long session my hands shake for like 45 minutes, I don't know why, they just do, they start and stop of their own accord. I've got JTo, last hand this guy's eyes lit up when he was watching my hands shake and I mucked what must have been a bluff, this time I catch the J on the flop, open shove heads up, shaky hands of course, insta pay off by AK unimproved. Shaky hands are so ridiculously unreliable, on anyone. Quickly looking at chips after flop is dealt: I actually haven't done my research on this one, but two obvious points are that it happens really fast so whilst being hard to see is probably hard to fake, but also everyone who has ever googled poker tells, or ever talked to anyone about tells, or ever sat a table for more than 5 minutes knows about it and on that basis, it's reliability is questionable. Don't get me wrong, my live game is VERY dependent on tells, but none of this simple sh*t, you want to learn it then you need to learn why the human body reacts that way, what is/isn't voluntary, you also need to do a little research on facial muscles (since they're the ones which are almost always visible). It's all a part of a bigger picture and open for interpretation, it's the interpretation where tells become misleading. But some straightforward stuff: A quick run through of the semi-reliable stuff: pupil dilation, if the pupils expand=happy, contract=unplesant, so if their pupils expand *immediately* after seeing a flop, they probably hit it hard. The semi-reliable bit about this is that very, very few people can fake it because very, very few people have control over it, unfortunately it only indicates an emotional response not a statement of what it's responding to. Maybe he's happy even though he missed because he thinks it missed your range, maybe he's upset because that dreaded A to his QQ came but he's never folding because you're a bluffy agro spewtard (you being any random person, not you specifically). Stillness: It's really, really hard to sit still when you're bluffing. I'm not going to go into why, but it's completely contradictory to your natural reaction (which IS to hide, but not hiding in plain sight, more of the distancing kind). Your opponents will feel like they're under the microscope, look for tension in their facial muscles and complete stillness over a duration of a minute or two. Note that both of these things are well known and therefore can be faked, however because of the difficult circumstances the person is in at the time, unless they're good I trust them to fail at it. Mouth stuff: Anything involving the mouth is really, really good. If they lick their lips you're screwed, run away as fast as you can. If they stick a finger in their mouth (yes it does happen) then they're desperately weak (probably not folding, so value bet really light rather than bluff). There's also a muscle that runs down the inner side of the eyes (not sure if we technically want to consider it to be on the nose or eye, or what, but it's there), it contracts when a smile is genuine and is doesn't contract when anyone (without training or a great deal of experiance) tries to fake a smile. Opponents regularly smile while you're making a decision, whether they're trying to fake confidence or they actually can't contain themselves, this piece of information is invaluable in determining which. In short, either take tells seriously or play with your eyes closed. Poker players are as a group appauling at picking up tells, maybe high stakes guys are decent at it, but 200nl-500nl no one has a clue (some guys do, but they're like 0.5% of the people in the room), most people cost themselves more money than they make on tells (grossly uninformed guesstimation, but I don't think it's far off). [/QUOTE]

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