playing while IM or skype is open

fletchdad · Jun 18, 2010

slycbnew said:
I went ahead and emailed PS, since this question has been asked before - here's the reply:

Thank you for your email. Your email was passed along to me as a manager in the PokerStars Game Security Team for additional review and comment. I hope to do a little better for you: let me share PokerStars' policy on TeamViewer (and similar software).

PokerStars is aware of software like TeamViewer and other similar programs that share the screen. PokerStars has considered their use, and at this stage, we have no prohibition on using TeamViewer or similar programs.

PokerStars is aware that the TeamViewer program can be used to break various aspects of our Terms of Service, but also that it has legitimate uses as well.

Consequently, PokerStars focuses its enforcement actions on the prohibited activity, rather than a possible symptom. For example, many instant messaging clients *could* be used for similar purposes, but we do not think it is reasonable to prohibit such programs from being used.
However, PokerStars does maintain a strict prohibition against collusion, multiple-account abuse, and so on, and we use a series of techniques to discover and take action against people who engage in such prohibited practices.

We are, however, continuing to consider the situation, so if we do change our mind, PokerStars will communicate that to players before any disciplinary action is taken.

I trust that this has been helpful to you, but please feel free to contact us again anytime if we can help you further.

Regards,
*****
PokerStars Game Security

Sly, on the ball as always!!

Thanks for doing that.

fletchdad · Jun 18, 2010

DawgBones said:
I knew this song but not the other one. Here ya go! And lol at them giving you back. Their loss is CC's gain Wow that tricycle "song" is whacked

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Nice, thanks!!!

qia1989 · Jun 18, 2010

there is no need to worry about it,ftp or pkr have no techology to know if you open or colsed skype,once sb ask a sinmilar question that if can check players poker date in the some poker sites,some poker room do not allowed it happen,but they will never know if you have open your IE or fixfore......

Egon Towst · Jun 18, 2010

I am surprised by the number of posters ITT who don`t seem to accept that the poker sites routinely monitor other programs running on your PC. I thought that was common knowledge.

An example, from the TOS of Party Poker:

"Our automated software reports on any processes or programs running on your computer that have been identified as prohibited software falling within our policy."

dmorris68 · Jun 18, 2010

Yeah, as a software guy let me assure that it is TRIVIAL to monitor what software you are running while you're playing, and also what sites you're browsing (on the same machine as your poker client software). This is how they know whether you're visiting sharkscope while playing, or running any other banned software. As Egon points out, all major sites mention their right to monitor your system during play in their TOS.

So to the OPs question: while they can easily tell if you're running Skype or IM during play, they CANNOT easily tell what you're doing with it. Since such applications are not specific to poker and have many legitimate uses outside of poker, it would be very difficult for them to enforce a ban against their usage during play. After all, if someone were so underhanded as to collude, they could just pick up the phone and be completely undetectable. So I wouldn't concern myself with using Skype/IM during play, but I would certainly avoid visiting SS or any other disallowed site, much less using any disallowed software, on your poker PC since this is easily detectable and enforceable.

BTW, there are some software that are considered so egregious (like poker bots and other cheats) that it's a violation of some sites' TOS to even have them on your hard drive, whether you're running them or not. So if you've been merely curious to only download and look at such software, without intending to use it, I'd strongly advise against doing so on your poker PC.

Debi · Jun 18, 2010

Egon Towst said:
I am surprised by the number of posters ITT who don`t seem to accept that the poker sites routinely monitor other programs running on your PC. I thought that was common knowledge.

An example, from the TOS of Party Poker:

"Our automated software reports on any processes or programs running on your computer that have been identified as prohibited software falling within our policy."

It is common knowledge that they can and do monitor certain types of programs you are running. That doesn't mean they can monitor every single thing you access.

dmorris68 · Jun 18, 2010

dakota-xx said:
It is common knowledge that they can and do monitor certain types of programs you are running. That doesn't mean they can monitor every single thing you access.

Mmmm, not exactly true. They can technically grab what you're typing back and forth in chat, but aside from archiving it for use during an investigation they couldn't really use it against you -- the amount of logic to intelligently process chat to identify collusion would be immense, and people would find ways of shorthand chatting to get around it anyway. Besides there are real privacy issues involved that go way beyond just monitoring what software I'm running. So you'd be correct that they can't reasonably monitor what you're saying in chat/Skype.

However with regards to what you're browsing, that is absolutely possible and actually quite easy for any developer worth his salt. If you're running my software (i.e. poker client), then I can easily tell you what sites you have open in your browser.

Poker Orifice · Jun 19, 2010

Pokerstars is gonna think I'm a total degen.,.... I need to stop with the porn while playing on that site!

Marginal · Jun 19, 2010

Poker Orifice said:
Pokerstars is gonna think I'm a total degen.,.... I need to stop with the porn while playing on that site!

I'm sure that alteast 20% of people playing poker have frequently had porn up while playing.

Debi · Jun 19, 2010

As well as Skype, msn....and even places like Sharkscope. Evidently they don't really care to take the time to monitor it as closely as people seem to think. Every single sng grinder worth their salt uses SS while playing and I have never heard of any of them having an issue as a result of it.

(And btw before anyone accuses me - I am not worth my salt).

dj11 · Jun 19, 2010

Poker Orifice said:
Pokerstars is gonna think I'm a total degen.,.... I need to stop with the porn while playing on that site!

^^^.:withstupi

dmorris68 · Jun 19, 2010

dakota-xx said:
Evidently they don't really care to take the time to monitor it as closely as people seem to think. Every single sng grinder worth their salt uses SS while playing and I have never heard of any of them having an issue as a result of it.

Yeah, I think enforcement is really hit or miss. But are you sure they're using it on the same PC? The common workaround is to have it open on another PC or in a VM, where it cannot be detected.

I have read a few reports across different forums of being warned for browsing SharkScope. I feel like most people who do it while playing are probably doing it on another PC, VM, iphone, etc.

Debi · Jun 19, 2010

dmorris68 said:
Yeah, I think enforcement is really hit or miss. But are you sure they're using it on the same PC? The common workaround is to have it open on another PC or in a VM, where it cannot be detected.

I have read a few reports across different forums of being warned for browsing SharkScope. I feel like most people who do it while playing are probably doing it on another PC, VM, iPhone, etc.

No - same pc or you can't copy and paste which is crucial when you are multi-tabling.

I suspect those that got warnings were using some other SS feature besides just the search.

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