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Message: [QUOTE="Crystal Blue, post: 1010459, member: 46561"] I had a bit of a laugh at this but as a gentlemen I will respect your opinions wholeheartedly. Though that doesn't mean I agree with what you say here. I can't agree with you that after 5 days ( 300 players left? ) solid at about 12-15 hours a day of playing poker at the WSOP ME from a field of over 6000 that "loads" of donkey's still remain. The donkey's get found out and picked off well before this point. It's virtually impossible to run uber lucky for the 60-75 continuous hours of play down to the last 300 even for a donkey. As for donkey's making it HU at the final table after 7/8 days and probably 80-100 hours of continuous play, that's just ridiculous. ( sorry ) In these situations you have to give credit where credit is due, off handed waving away such achievements don't ring true to me. About Hellmuth, whether people like it of not, he is in fact right up there with the best of the best and has stood the test of time. Choosing from "current, active" players, he has most certainly achieved his rightful place as one of the few people who has done much for poker. He is in the "Poker Hall Of Fame", which as far as I am concerned, and as far as the powers that be are concerned, is testament enough. There are 4 main requirements to getting into the poker hall of fame and are as follows............. 1. Player must have played high stakes. 2. Player must have played against acknowledged top competition. 3. Player must have played well consistently and gained the respect of his peers. 4. player must have stood the test of time. There are a few exceptions to these rules with likes of Edmund Hoyle and Wild Bill Hickock for obvious reasons. Being admitted to the Poker Hall Of Fame is considered one of the biggest honors in poker. When Hellmuth sits down at the WSOP ME 2009 ( after a grand late entrance of course ) it will be the 20th anniversary of him winning the event. From reading a completely different thread about the average age of CC members, it's safe to say that the majority of members here were learning how to be potty trained at the time of Hellmuth picking up that bracelet. Love him, hate him, laugh at him, cry at him, but more importantly, suck it in and acknowledge what he has achieved and what he has done for the game. Great players like Ivey and Negreanu will have their hall of fame day too, once they pass their apprenticeship that is. [/QUOTE]

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