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[QUOTE="Abramo Della Luce, post: 3030387, member: 159183"]
I would even take it further.
Starting any business costs money, and the outcome is not completely in their hands and should be seen as gambling as well.
Most sports on high level can be seen as gambling. The other day I was looking into joining an iron man triathlon, but found the price to join very high. So here again you have to pay money to join, without knowing 100% what the outcome is going to be, so it should be classified as gambling.
Of course you can say, that the person who has the best training, best preparation, etc. has a much bigger chance to win, but the same goes for poker.
This is following most peoples idea of gambling (wagering money without a sure outcome), but I wouldn't classify it as gambling from the moment skill becomes an important factor.

For an amateur or recreational poker player, it is gambling, because they usually lack training and skills. There is a big chance that on the long term they will be losing.
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