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Message: [QUOTE="DS3, post: 5353710, member: 407846"] Okay, frankly this gets tedious. You ask for peoples opinions but you do not want to hear them, so why start the thread in the first place? Once again, I have no problem (does anyone?) or issue with anyone saying 'for me, poker is only real when it involves money'. What I do object to is people declaring poker without money poker is not interesting/ involving/challenging/exciting...which it obviously is to millions people. Poker does not exist in some world with unique conditions. It exists in the world where people compete- from playing countless ball games, to playing chess, to racing across oceans for no compensation. The vast majority by far compete on an amateur basis. Your final comment was this... [I]"Without money, Casinos and tournaments will lose their value and interest".[/I] Who, at any point, has said casinos and tournaments should be exist without money? No one. [/QUOTE]