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Message: [QUOTE="gus201, post: 2475409, member: 91288"] STL FAN wrote this : "This is one part of why I do not believe luck exists especially in the game of poker because each person has the ability to gain skill in areas others are not working on presently enough, and the observation this player has made, the information gathered supports the ability to change an outcome post flop by my skillful play vs. my opponents skillful play and the addition of chatting to them as we play, this helps to keep the edge going against the entire table whether their chat is on or not." I have to agree with you there . I agree you are right about the ability to gain skill and how much skill you may have or not over the other player making understanding what he is doing either easy or hard . example : when we first started playing poker what difference did it make to play position and good starting hands ? For the ones that new this their play and decision making against us was easy . We didnt understand much and didnt want any one telling us that we were doing so many things wrong because we have played before . STL FAN "Through observation and research a researcher could formulate a theory about an opponent(s); and how to gain a skillful advantage to take their chips without showing my cards or always produce the winning hand at a higher percentage than my opponents that are paid off on the river or any previous streets of play." Threw research you up your ability to know things that will help in many things and ways , to take down pots , get extra chips , and play the weaker players. How to play and get passed the button and not have to worry about being short stacked because you were folding waiting for the button guy to go out . You get the just of it . with out research how do I know who plays good position or not , good starting hands or not , traps or not . Just some of the few things research helps with and prevails over luck . If I know a player will not fold top pair, I can gauge at least 2 things. 1) he wont fold 2 ) not to build up the pot before I can make 2 pair or better against this player. ( I have to be disciplined ) If I cant recognize it then am I playing to get lucky or playing unskilled ? is there a difference ? I know theres skill there that can help me but is it ok to say I got lucky or unlucky there if I river the card that makes my hand if I misplayed it ? Just some things I wanted to point out. I think we have to look at the word luck and really think about it when we use it because if your talking to a player who is more informed then you are you may just dont realize that there never was any luck involved in that hand you played . Good Day and may the luck go away and skill prevail . [/QUOTE]

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