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Message: [QUOTE="mikeisanace, post: 2682469, member: 118910"] [b]What you referring to is a nit game.[/b] Iv'e played in a few low limit nit games vs old retired folks it sucks and isn't profitable. There isn't a big element of gamble these guys wait for aa-kk-99 aj suited they all play the same and never raise much. Consequently you can't bluff them or run over the table they never fold and usually have the best hand and will not pay you off in any way or chase. Your saying the new generation of players are all experts and play the same so therefore it's just random luck. The reality is it's just a tighter edge. Player A flops the nut flush player B flops a set of 10-10 and has to fill up to be the victor. Player A has a-6 suited in the blind and flops 6-2-9 and player B has k-j suited and keeps betting at em. Good players will re raise or call them down with a good read on your opponent. Poker is a people game of different variety unless you have a table of nits or possibly a table of TAG's which makes a boring game. Luckily it's a mix of both 95% of the time with a new influx of players all the time. I see the point here though hoodies sunglasses all like robots 2 bet-3 bet all in same same... The poker tournament was also created with blinds and ante's to force the element of gamble making players of all types go from tight aggressive to maniacal and even force them to venture into donkey ville going all in pre flop with j-4 suited. It's like saying chess is just luck because were all so good ludicrous,however chess has defined rules without randomness. Hold em tournaments are random fluctuations of about 200 hands sometimes you run hot early and go cold later or run cold early and just average out the rest of the way. It's a lot of skill to maintain during the bad times with good reads and it's not purely a skill game like shooting free throws because of the random nature of the game is unavoidable. The definition of skill by the way is the ability to control the outcome of an event from an exterior source such as putting,free throws,memory games running athletics etc.. Poker only has moments of calculations and control and the beauty is the other players don't know what you have that's why the cards are face down. [/QUOTE]

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