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Message: [QUOTE="STL FAN, post: 2685130, member: 120788"] I enjoy posts such as this one where a person will post with what they thought was empirical statements about poker, judgement passed on the game as a whole. Opinions are stronger than facts about poker because of the difference of skill in each individual’s game as a whole. For example, knowledge, understanding, the skill that is not seen, how to read the table, opponents, recognize situations that do not happen with regularity, exploiting, the wiliness to exploit the opponent when they either step out of line or they just might make an obvious mistake, maybe not to the entire table but just one person specifically will see this but the eight others will not. Betting sequences, betting routines, pre-flop, post flop, how much empirical knowledge does each person possess with these four terms? Bet sizing, flop betting, turn betting, river betting, how much empirical knowledge does each person possess when there is pressure to understand the right move, fold, raise, check raise, call, shove, three bet, four bet as some examples. Most of this information is limited that is empirical because of how people gather information about the game, their opponents, as the game, each journey plays forward. For example, my coach was playing in a $5.00 one table SNG 9 max regular with 10 minute blind levels last night. There was a situation that arose and I told him that a person in early position was holding the K high nut flush on turn, however, he has been in situations from experience that allows him to know more about opponents that will also have the 10 high flush, that looks like the K high nut flush, and he had the J high flush. I only see the K high flush every time because of my experience, his experience has more hands played properly, with knowing more in this situation with second best and knows how this is a time to test the games played in this specific situation because of how many times this scenario has played out just like he was reading. Rare situations might not been seen 10,000 times but only a couple thousand times, it is harder to trust or exploit in these situations, when situations do not arise consistently to have more empirical information. It still did not make sense at the time but I truly understand why he was trusting his read, putting himself in an unnatural situation right or wrong is how a person will get better, willing to put himself in a uncomfortable situation for the betterment of his game. Of course he was wrong, now he is down a little more than half of the starting chip stack of 1500 chips after having a safe chip stack that was in second with 6 people left at the time. He then began a methodical march back into the game and finished third. He did not panic because of the skill he possessed and he had the ability to gather chips even though, he was now the short stack at the table. I would have been upset and done something that was less skill full than my ability to further my bad position in the SNG. He explained, gathered chips back, and made plays against the table that I could not even see. The small edges he exploited at the table while having and not having chips, I could have not gathered them in the same manner as my coach. The difference in skill at the $1.50 SNG 9 max is different than that of the $5.00 SNG 9 max. The skill that I would use in the $5.00 game would not existent in the $1.50 game. Why? People are esthetic to their cards, the will get married to situations rather than clearly understanding they have plenty of other situations that would be better later in the game. They are willing to push marginal situations pre flop, post flop. Making mistakes post flop is worse than pushing their big broad way hands pre because of what is taught in books, what they view, as a couple of examples. This one example influences how they play in other situations that only require cards and not skill, this now puts the player that has more skill into many skill less situations, the better player now is put in situations where their skill is almost rendered useless because of the lower skill level of their opponent. This level the value of cards trumps knowledge, skill, and understanding of situations that has been gathered through experience. The $5.00 SNG people have knowledge, patience, skill, and will allow the person who has more skill as a few examples, to have a consistent advantage more than that of the $1.50 game however, both levels the people, their play is similar but one is easier to exploit than the other. Variance of cards will come into play; variance of skill is greater, in the lower buy in between the two. Variance of cards, variance of skill is not as great in the bigger buy in SNG because people are not playing their cards only; the opponent is more of the target based on what they are reading about each person or the inability of their opponent to make the same skill full plays as they would. However each person dissects poker, how each understands, plays, gains information, there is someone waiting to take those chips, money, dignity, pride, confidence, as some examples. People will discuss give opinions, write, talk, post about the game I love long after we are gone. I believe poker is a game of skill cleverly disguised as a game of luck. Hope the remaining year is filled with success for each poker player. [/QUOTE]

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