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Message: [QUOTE="asdasda, post: 2685721, member: 125484"] never ever you can completely eliminate luck. i am 44 years. i gamble since i am 16. with 16 i gambled backgammon for small money. with 18 i started playing highstakes and different games, including 5 card draw. i follow a bit the discussion since 10 years, saying poker is a skill game. i think the reason for this statement is to get poker legal. from my point of view, every game where cards or dices are involved is a luck game. of course you also need skills to win this luck game. but if luck is not on your side, you wont win a dollar. even in the most simple game a better strategy gives you higher chance to win. btw, my highest loss in one day was 26 years ago in a german card game for children called "mau mau". even there you need stategy. but luck was not on my side, so i lost 6k german marks ^^ [/QUOTE]