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Message: [QUOTE="Rumme1, post: 2980517, member: 182441"] Yes, knowing the math , odds, implied odds, betting skills, etc...are all great additional tactics to have in poker....but even if you have all those skills, you are still at the mercy of the luck factor . Many lucky donks will be the big winners at any given game that has solid , knowledgable poker players. Lets face it, if skill was the only controlling factor, then the amount of people who play poker for real , significant money, would be much lower, because the fish/ donks and gamblers would lose all their money, every session and most of them would be forced to quit the gamed due to being broke all the time. [/QUOTE]