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Message: [QUOTE="lenstra, post: 1954234, member: 90147"] There's still luck on which hole cards both of you get dealt. How are you going to know if your opponent is slowplaying a royal flush or has 3-high if he has just been checking all the streets? The only reason good players don't go all-in preflop in all situations is because going all-in preflop is a suboptimal and exploitable strategy if the blinds are low, not because it removes skill factor from the game. BTW, about that coinflips game on my earlier post, I assumed you would be able to call which side would come up at least some of the time. [/QUOTE]