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Message: [QUOTE="aliengenius, post: 641664, member: 11924"] huh? Busting out and making less money is exactly what you are avoiding using the theory, which is neither obscure, nor that difficult to understand. Read Skop's post re chip value change. In the example given, sure-- it's taken to the extreme to illustrate the point. But up our chip stack a bit relative to our opponents', make only two instead of three all in, and give us QQ instead, and you can see how it gets a bit more complicated. The point is, that in tournaments, especially when everyone gets down to a low M or stack size relative to the blinds, and play becomes entirely preflop shove/call decisions, understanding ICM math is what separates the great sng players from the wannabes. Shrug it off if you want, but the situation isn't always common sense, and is often even counter-intuitive. [/QUOTE]