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[QUOTE="Deceitful_Frank, post: 1330218, member: 61722"]
Ok so to clarify, when you are calling an all-in and you KNOW that you will be  seeing both turn and river cards with no futher monetary investment you would use the rule of four. You have two cards and chances to make that flush.

It just seems confusing to me to use this method if you are not calling an all-in. To simply call the bet in position would surely tell villain that you are hoping to hit your flush and when that third club doesn't come, why would he give you a free card? ...of course he is going to bet in to you again and make you pay again for that river card. I just can't see the logic of relying on that river card for free when you make your odds calculation post-flop when you are in a multiway pot or there is still money on both sides not yet in the pot. Sure you could take in to account implied odds for the 1/5 times you make the flush on the turn but how are you going to extract more money from villain when there are now three clubs on the board and he knows you have made the flush?

Dealing with one card at a time and using the rule of two on the turn and river just seems to make far more sence but all the poker videos and tutorials still preach this 4 and 2 shit!

PLEASE can someone explain where I am going wrong!
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