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Message: [QUOTE="IveGot0uts, post: 1330366, member: 45459"] [b]This ought to do it.[/b] Your analysis is right-ish. If there is money behind, your opponent is likely to continue firing on the turn, especially if no scare card, ie:flush card, hits. However the reason you called when getting proper current pot odds using [B]the rule of 2[/B] was because you mathematically don't need to get any further money in the pot for your call to be correct. Now had your opponent bet large enough where you would have had to use the odds from [B]the rule of 4 [/B]to justify the call, you are making this call based on an opponent read if there is money behind. Example 1: Ultrapassive in later streets, but cbets 90-100 percent opponent cbets you when you have flopped your 4 flush in position heads up. He is not 2 barreling you if he doesn't have the goods hardcore, and even then unless it's damn nice he'll be afraid because you called in position. It is this opponents nature, so you will get the free river card much of the time. Here you may use [B]the rule of 4[/B] because the extra money you'll sometimes get from an overly passive station makes up for the few times he fires the turn. Example 2: Ultraaggro opponent who will fire down no matter what happens to bully you off a hand cbets half pot, only giving you 3:1, so [B]rule of 2[/B] says fold. You can still call here, because if he's a blindly aggressing donkey then he's going to pay you off for AT LEAST the extra half of the flop pot to give you your [B]rule of 4[/B] odds on the turn. This being the concept of implied odds. So, because of opponent specific reads, and implied odds, we make use of the rules of 2 and 4 situationally. Sometimes you should call when the expressed pot odds are bad. Sometimes you should stick to the specific rule to the letter. As long as you stick to the rule to the letter, you are getting the best of it. Calling on a flop using the rule of 2 may give away your hand, and prevent you getting any more money in, but if you used the rule correctly, you got your money in as a mathematical favorite, so anything extra that gets in is just bonus. This is also where playing deceptively comes in so that your opponent cannot always know exactly what you have by reading your action against the odds of the situation. Keep in mind also that the rules of 2 and 4 only ever apply, in a truly technical sense, if your draw is to the nuts, and the oppoenent will have no redraw. It complicates things further, but that's the beauty of our game, is it not? [B]Don't know how to do the nifty quote thing, and didn't want to spam add posts, but raven added on while I was away. A clarifying caveat to raven's response is that it is assuming that the bet you are to be calling is all in. If not all in, then see my awesomeness[/B] [/QUOTE]

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