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Message: [QUOTE="SavagePenguin, post: 828253, member: 22087"] Most of those books you read are for live (real life... not online), higher-stakes tournaments. The same principals apply, especially *late* in the game, once the poor players have knocked themselves out. Online, people don't get as embarrassed for making dumb moves, so they make more dumb moves. Plus at the low stakes games they can afford to lose a lot of games. They see calling a shove with 4/4 as a coin flip, assuming the other guy has two overcards. Advice depends on your competition: In a Hellmuth book I read (after getting knocked out first in a 198 player tournament... my first ever tournament), he said that at a tournament full of weak amateurs one can sometimes make the final table by only playing his top ten hands. When I was drafted into playing my second tournament, I decided to follow this stupid advice because then I could blame Hellmuth if I lost (and I hated Hellmuth at the time). I got to the final table. With 5 of us left I switched things up and started bluffing and such, eventually getting knocked out in 3rd. I stopped hating Hellmuth after that. All lower stakes tournaments are going to have amateurs who see two face cards and prematurely ejaculate their chips into the pot, not realize how easily their hands can be dominated. Plus they have terrible chip management skills and can easily get themselves pot committed. So you can't play standard with these non-standard (IE, terrible) players. See a lot of flops cheap early on. If you hit two pair you can knock out the bad players when they have top pair/top kicker. As the blinds go up and the donks knock themselves out you can play the game they teach you in the books. As for being shoved on when you have J/J, without specific information on a guy I'll usually fold that. Q/Q... I'm probably calling unless I know a guy is tight. Similarly, if I'm dealt a monster early in a tournament I'm going to overplay it. Why open for 3BB when the noobs at that level will call 5BB just as often? If someone re-raises my A/A or K/K, I'll shove. They'll miss the flop most of the time, so get their money in while you can. And with more chips in the pot they're more likely to make a suicidal bluff attempt. [/QUOTE]

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