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Message: [QUOTE="internetpokerdonk, post: 972865, member: 27533"] I don't think that is a relevant distinction. Sit and goes actually require more skill than cash games, not less. You not only have to know the game to profit from them in the long term, but you also have to know how to work the structure. I play many sit and goes in real life. I play a lot here in Florida in particular because our cash game buy ins are capped at $100. Who wants to play a 5/10 NL game where everyone starts with ten big blinds? Consequently, I play a great deal of $500 and $1000 sit and goes live. I can tell you from personal experience that the same players cash in them over and over and I know of several players who make thier livings playing these sit and goes exclusively. I think skill is exaggerated in sit and goes...at least live. That is that winning players have a greater advantage and losing players are at a greater dissadvantage. This is mostly because players who might have an average understanding of the game and might be able to break even in cash games have trouble adjusting to the sit and go format. They can't understand the tight to start/loose to finish winning strategy. Most sit and go losers play loose up front and try to build a stack and then tighten up close to the bubble to try and ensure a third place finish. At any rate, even if you think that skill is not more important in a sit and go than in a cash game, I think the rate of winning players v. losing players should still be comparable between sit and goes and cash games. It really doesn't make sense to me to assert that 10% of players win at cash games and 33% win at sit and goes. That would mean that 23% of poker players lose money at cash games but by some miracle become profitable players when they buy into a sit and go. Are you asserting that otherwise losing players have a better chance to win at sit and goes than they do at cash games? If not, then the distinction is irrelevant to the analysis. For DORKUS- From the first page of a google search: [URL="http://www.texas-hold-em-poker.co.uk/poker_bankroll/"]Poker Bankroll | webooks[/URL] I also found three articles that say that 95% of poker players lose money in the long term, but I only mention them to show you that there are pros who are even less forgiving in their estimates than I am. I would wager that more than 5% of players are long term winners. My range is 10-20%. I think that is an acceptable range. It certainly doesn't seem out of the ordinary and it isn't some number I just made up. It would be far more ridiculous to say that 33% of players make money in the real world of poker. I don't think any respected poker writer today would tell his readers that fully 1/3 of them can expect to be profitable poker players. :) [/QUOTE]

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