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Message: [QUOTE="Four Dogs, post: 677663, member: 2668"] I know we're all sick and tired of the on-line rigged debate. I've been trolling this site for 3 years and it just never seems to end, and the recent Absolute fiasco hasn't helped matters, never mind that what happen there actually had more to do with inexcusably loose security measures rather than actual RIGGING. The logic behind the belief that the sites rig the game is ALWAYS the same and NEVER backed up by any facts. The belief is that the sites somehow profit from increased rakes by pitting big hands against eachother. [B]"Now why is it rigged...well like many people here have said, its because of the amount of rake they get...now alot of idiots dont know the bigger the pot, the more they rake...they also dont realise if there are MORE MONSTER HANDS ie, AA, AK, KK, there are going to be more all ins, the more all ins, the more you deposit once again..."[/B] This quote is from a recent thread, but really, it's just one of hundreds and there's nothing unique about it. What surprises me is that this belief persists despite the fact that due to programs like Poker Tracker, these inane assertions are easily verified or dispelled. So lets test it. Let's keep it simple though. I'd like any of you who actually track their HH with some sort of software like PT or Poker Office to post the number of ring hands you've tracked (no rake in tourneys right?) along with the number of times you've been dealt AA. Also, to sort the cheaters from the honest we should break the numbers apart by site. If the argument holds water then we should all be seeing hands like AA or KK more often then expected. I think the chances of being dealt AA or any pair is like 220:1 or about 4.5% I'll start. [B]Site: Full Tilt[/B] [B]Number of ring hands: 16,901 [/B](I've actually played about 3x that number but I lost my DB about a year ago) [B]Dealt AA: 68[/B] (a little low) [B]Expected: 77[/B] [B]I am dealt AA: 1/248.5 hands = .402%[/B] [B]Site: Poker Stars[/B] [B]NRH: 5323[/B] [B]Dealt AA: 36[/B] (a little high) [B]Expected: 24[/B] [B]I am dealt AA: 1/147.86 hands = .676%[/B] [B]Total[/B] [B]NRH: 22454[/B] [B]Dealt AA: 106[/B] (a statistical bullseye) [B]Expected: 102[/B] [B]I am dealt AA: 1/211.83 hands = .4545%[/B] I put alot more info in here than we need. Just put the hands and times dealt AA and I'll do the math. I'll try to keep a running tally going, but I don't plan on being around much in the next few days so anyone may feel free to update it. Cheers and Merry Christmas. :icon_sant [/QUOTE]

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