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Message: [QUOTE="ph_il, post: 888308, member: 508"] No, I didn't because if you noticed in my post with the little * I clearly stated that if his goal was to just make the money, then the fold was fine. DevilRaise: I am not berating your play or anything like that, so don't take it the wrong way. I simply gave my opinion that it was a bad fold if you're looking at it from a person who wants to win view point. It comes down to what you're hoping to accomplish. [B] A) [/B]You want to make the money-fold and you're almost guaranteed a spot at making it ITM. [B] B) [/B]You want to win it-You have to shove here and take the chance of doubling up or even better, because folding isn't going to help you accomplish this. You have to take chances like these if you want to survive and make it further in the money. In fact, you should be taking these chances way before your stack gets this low. To emphasize on what im trying to say: You're sitting on a stack of with an M of just a little over 1. What this means is that it'll cost the blinds and antes about 1.5 full orbit before they eat away your stack. And this is only at the current blind/ante levels, we're not taking into consideration of the blinds and antes raising, but we'll ignore that for now. Not to mention that you are the small/big blind in the next too hands. We'll assume, since you want to fold into the money, that you dont play these hands. So, after the blinds pass, You'll have a stack of 1115. You don't even enough to pay for the blinds and thats without the antes coming into play. With this stack, you are not going to accomplish a whole lot unless you get really lucky and double up quite a few times. However, if your goal is to just make the money each time, then plays like these are perfectly fine. The problem is, majority of the time and in similar situations like this, thats all you're going to accomplish. If you're goal is to make it further up the money ladder, a final table, or even win it-folding opportunities like this is going to make it very unlikely that will happen. You mention that you're a poker player and not a gambler, but this is some pretty basic poker playing knowledge. And poker is a gamble in its self and sometimes you have to go for it. Every time you raise, call a bet, or push all in-you're taking a gamble, right? There is nothing wrong with taking a chance, thats how the game is. Sometimes you have to take chances in order to win. So, again, Im not berating your play. Im not here to talk down on anyones play because I dont believe I am better than anyone. Im simply giving my constructive criticism and my opinions. You accomplished what you were looking for and congrats on that-you made the money. Im just giving you a little insight so maybe you can think things differently. Making the money is fun and all, but try aiming for the bigger prizes. And sometimes in order to do that, you're going to have to take a few gambles here and there. [/QUOTE]

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