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Message: [QUOTE="OzExorcist, post: 3322956, member: 23910"] If, as mentioned above, you follow the sensible rule where Player 9 takes their bet back and can either call, raise or fold as they see fit, then it doesn't matter whether it was $1400 or $1500 or $1600 because it's brand new action. If they [b]did[/b] want to raise, it would need to be to $1500 minimum though. I know some games (usually home games or pub poker - I've never heard of a real-money casino using it) do use the rule where the minimum raise is double the total of the previous bet. But it's a terrible "rule", and usually only applied by people who think it's too hard to do the math on working out the size of the previous raise. OK, this goes to one of the other things I brought up: was this a genuine one-off mistake by Player 9 or not? If it was a genuine one-off mistake then he's not "destroying almost ever hand" with it. If it [i]is[/i] more than a one-off, then player needs to receive a warning or penalty, which is something that the floor person will rule on. Again in the event of a [b]genuine[/b] mistake by one player acting OOT, detroitjunkie is absolutely right: they should be allowed to pull their bet back and call, raise or fold as they see fit. It's the fairest resolution, because while yes they are at fault for acting out of turn, their initial bet was made based on incorrect information (ie: that all the players acting before them had folded). If it's a pattern, or you have reason to think the player is deliberately angle shooting, then the floor should make a ruling on whether some additional penalty should apply (though likely the in-hand remedy will still be they take their bet back and choose to call/raise/fold, and the penalty happens after the hand). Erm... yeah, if I follow what you mean by that then yes it's a very messy hand. But I don't see how something like that actually happens in real life. I mean did all the players just decide to throw random amounts of chips into the pot as soon as the dealer finished dealing hole cards?!? Did they think the action went counter-clockwise? It's not a realistic situation. If it [I]did[/I] somehow happen (because everyone at the table is an idiot, one assumes) the correct remedy depends on exactly what order the OOT players acted. [/QUOTE]

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