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Message: [QUOTE="OzExorcist, post: 3324659, member: 23910"] You're confusing two rules here - acting out of turn, and going all in for less than a minimum raise. If they go all in out of turn then it depends on the action. If one of the in between players makes a bet, then the player who went all in out of turn takes their bet back and has the option to fold, call or raise. That has nothing to do with the rule on going all in for less than a minimum raise - which is yes, you [i]can[/i] raise less than the minimum if you're raising all in. The house shouldn't change the rules to the detriment of all [i]other[/i] players just because there are idiots though. They should enforce the rules fairly and correctly, and penalise or evict the idiots as appropriate. At the end of the day I guess it's their card room and they can do whatever they like. But I think this is amazingly short-sighted. They're making a bad decision on rules just to keep one player in the game paying rake. That bad decision has the potential to lead to very unfair outcomes for other players making innocent mistakes in the future. And unfairly penalising people for making innocent mistakes is a pretty good way of making them not want to play in your card room any more. So no, I don't think it's OK for the other players. I also don't see how ruling the way your card room has makes a difference to anything. If this idiot is deliberately acting out of turn, he's giving free information to the players still to act in the process. They can act on their hands [i]knowing[/i] he wants to make a big raise when it's his turn to act. Whether you (correctly) take his bet back and give him the option to fold, call or raise, or whether you make his bet stand, the other players know he wants to make it 1500. And if he's doing that without even looking at his cards then yes it's high variance but it's good for the players who know what they're doing - DUCY? [/QUOTE]

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