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Message: [QUOTE="Chemist, post: 3097301, member: 55995"] It has become common for many tournaments. Not only WSOP but also EPT, LAPT, UKIPT, APPT, PCA etc. and I think it is becoming more common. Excuse me what do you mean showing out of turn??? It was REQUIRED for this tournament which was following the same WSOP rule that you had previously talked about. He tried to muck when I said call. [B]My hand was only shown as required in order to claim the pot.[/B] Otherwise there is no way I would have shown the whole table how lightly I was calling and how confident I was in my reads. His hand didn't really have to be shown as nobody had challenged it, but when it was exposed he claimed he had Phil Ivey like misread his hand and only just noticed that he had actually caught something. Online of course the computer would have awarded Ivey the pot. In theory with a checked down river the first to act should turn over their cards and the second to act should know whether their hand is better and turn it over to claim the pot if it is better; (unless they were colluding and trying to pass chips when the second player might see their hand is stronger and attempt to muck in order to pass chips to his friend), which is why the other players have the right to challenge the mucked hand. Ivey wasn't colluding he simply hadn't noticed the flush. In this case everyone accepted that the aces were good and moved on. If Ivey's cards had been exposed at the time then an adjudicator (dealer, floor manager, tournament director) would have to decide what action to take in that particular instance, which could be to allow the action to stand and carry on with verbal or physical declarations considered binding, or go with the cards like a computer would, or even issue a penalty for an unintentional collusive act. In my opinion the declaration should stand, with the loss of chips and the public embarrassment being suitable penalty for the mistake. But the only opinion that counts is that of the manager or director on duty at the time. As with any good sport the umpire or referee's decision on the day is the final word regardless of any rule books. But thank goodness Sporting decisions aren't dragged through the courts by lawyers. (Oh dear Mr Ivey), (but then again, fair enough Punto Banco isn't a sport). [/QUOTE]

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