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Message: [QUOTE="zachvac, post: 928757, member: 26306"] umm, the difference between the 2 is how well you run in all-in pots. It's not possible to quantify other luck (ie you get flush over flush, how much should you lose ev-wise?). Sklansky bucks tries but fails due to not having complete information (ie whether the hand is shown down or not has to do with the cards that fall, so using the cards that fall ONLY in showdown pots doesn't work). The all-in ev line is simply how much money you would have won if there were no luck in poker when all the money was in. If whenever you got all-in AA vs. KK you simply took 80% of the chips out and they got 20%, you would have won as much money as the all-in ev line shows. Of course there's other luck in poker, but until you can come up with a way to quantify it, the only luck we can quantify is all-in luck. [/QUOTE]