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Message: [QUOTE="zachvac, post: 826810, member: 26306"] Yes and no, although they were both made-up hands, I'm talking about situations where I am the preflop raiser, but it is FR, not 6max, sorry if I didn't specify this. Well I guess I need to define marginal. Basically I was talking about hands where I'm not comfortable putting a large percentage of my stack in the middle and seeing showdown. I think part of this is difference between 6max and FR, but the first one is what I usually do, call a flop bet and depending on board and opponent call a second barrel, but pretty much unless I've hit a better hand (set, flush, straight) I'm not calling the third barrel. Although you're still kind of right, seen so many underpairs call 3 barrels from sets and stuff, although 3-barreling probably is a mistake I could probably bet flop and then if river check bet the river for value as well (ie I don't expect top pair to check the river and my line looks weak) and I guess I'd be calling the river bet (again depending on board, more busted draws = more calls). As mentioned it is FR, is this still true? Thanks, this has actually helped a lot. 4-6 I think I've been doing. The one problem I get into with the 3-bet pots and cbets is a lot of players will just flat KK/AA. I've been cbetting what I think are good flops anyway, but I'm getting burned for like 30% of my stack with hands like bottom pair or 7 high. I think the major difference is it's FR and 3-bet calling hands are a lot tighter. The problem is there's no such thing as a good flop. A low flop could be AA/KK (or always the fact that they have AK that they think is good and that we're just trying to steal) and of course a big card like an A or K could be a set or TPTK that players will play for stacks with in 3-bet pots (rightly so). I think #2 though is the most helpful and the thing I need to work on most. My triple barrels with sets almost always get folded, so it makes sense that I can now triple barrel with bluffs. Obviously villain and board dependent, but for example yesterday had a perfect shot of doing it, flush draw hit, overcard hit (and it was a Q, not an A, I really don't like it when aces hit because players will have Ax way too much, either giving them 2 pair or them calling all the way with AK because they're a fish). I came so close to triple barreling (would have been for stacks) but ended up checking down and seeing 99. The one thing is for #5, other people are doing that too at 100nl. Here's a typical spot where I have no idea how to proceed. I raise QJ suited from the cutoff, a blind calls and we see a flop of 962 rainbow, relatively dry and I have overs. So I cbet this flop, and villain minraises. Maybe I'll put this fake hand (or maybe we have AK) in the ring HA. It started happening so often though that I started delaying the cbet to the turn if I got 2 checks, and depending on villain and board I would raise some of his turn bets. Yeah, I watched a video about 3-bet pots on Stox that was at 6max $3/$6 I think. Started trying to use the stuff there, found out none of it works against guys who are only 3-betting JJ+/AQ+ and who will only call 3-bets with AK/99+. But I'm going to look at my current data, 3-betting light is definitely profitable, but I'm beginning to wonder if just giving up on flops you don't connect with is better since you're facing such a small range when you get called. Obviously this works to your advantage when you 3-bet suited connecters or pocket pairs and flop a set or 2-pair and get a stack, but bluf c-betting is questionable, definitely going to go over those hands after writing this. Also going to watch Kyle's video on cbetting. Thanks for all the help. Even though it seems I was pretty much wrong, still glad I wrote it since it identified a leak of mine. Thanks all. [/QUOTE]

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