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[QUOTE="DESSERTLADY, post: 417485, member: 1240"]
Okay here is my 2 cents worth.
 
I agree on both arguments if you can agree with both sides? 
 
Even though you may know pot odds, EV, ratios etc...... You can't control these, you just know what they are with each card to come. You don't know what card is going to come out next either. You can't control that. You can just basically calculate your "chances" of you making the flush, straight, full house etc...... with each card coming out. You can't control the donkey sitting at the other end of the table holding 72os that hits his boat on the turn. 
 
The only things you can control is your Bankroll, how well you play the cards your dealt, how well you play the players sitting at your table. Also you can control your emotions whether you go on tilt or not. You can control what information that you want to send out to your opponents. And how you handle the donkey at the other end holding that 72os full house when you hit your flush.
 
I agree there is skill involved with poker, but you have others gambling around you that makes your skill fail sometimes. In poker it takes all 5 cards to make a hand. 
It is about taking "chances" when you need to when your skill failed.
IE: tournament play and short stacks.
 
Whether you are new to the game or a seasoned pro, you are still Betting on the "outcome" of random cards which in the end is gambling.
 
I'm not sure where the skill ends and the gambling begins in poker percentage wise. I have heard from 10% skill with 90% luck. I have heard the total opposite. 
 
But I do know one thing this debate will never be over! :D
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