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[QUOTE="ninjareal, post: 4718069, member: 323567"]
Yes the
1. "everyone limps " is the worst possible scenerio, 
2. A raise , not so bad as some will try trappy style ideas here, limp-get raised-3bet ,  as I'm sure part of the reason for some players folding excessively to utg limp play  (i hadn't noticed before, but recently i have, doesn't happen all that often though) 
3.a raise followed by 3bet before action comes back to me, either an ideal situation if i was trapping, or easy fold (or even some crazy hero play with 89, but doubtful )
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of course most of these won't stand up to an all in, i thought it was just 3bet or so, not all in, 
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I was mainly disagreeing that some won't try 89 raise utg, some do it for value against tight players if flop is good, others do it for mind games, deliberately raising either a tag or lag player ahead of them to set long term trap perhaps?  
Or even to "sell" a fake image you may be peddling. ... 
:)   ,  maybe I'm just crazy though  lmao ,  that's always a valid reason      :p
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