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Message: [QUOTE="Mase31683, post: 1315097, member: 44869"] The programs definitely change the game a bit. Everything is more precise. If you're playing live you're not going to be describing a hand as, "The guy was 22/18 with an AF of 2.8" ya know? But that's why online is a different game. As far as fair? Tough to say I guess. I think it's more fair to let everyone use them as opposed to any attempt at stopping their use. People that wanted to keep using them would find a way, people who played by the rules wouldn't, and then would have whatever edge the software provides over the people who are playing it straight. Also, I sure love my HEM, so I vote for fair. [/QUOTE]