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Message: [QUOTE="OzExorcist, post: 963967, member: 23910"] Yeah, that's the bit that I still don't get - [B]technically[/B], what Carroll did is no different to what Losev did. It just goes to highlight what I said earlier though: this situation wasn't judged on the technical rules - Jack Effell judged it based on what he deemed to be the [I]fairest[/I] outcome. In allowing what may be a technical breach of the rules (assuming there actually was one - I still challenge anyone to find a "forward motion" rule written down anywhere, or show what other rule he breached), he's tried to ensure the fairest outcome. Under WSOP rule 44 he's actually compelled to take this stance. One final word on betting lines too - even if you did have them, and even if you did make them binding, my personal view is that they'd create at least as many issues as they'd solve. What happens if someone wins a big pot and they're still stacking their chips when the next hand is ready to start? They've still got chips over the line, does the game have to stop until they've finished stacking? What happens if someone has a truly massive stack (very common at the WSOP, particularly in the Main Event). There's only so far sideways you can go at a full table, and tournament directors haven't been very keen on massive-tall stacks in the past. Are the chips that get stacked over the line considered bets? What if, in a genuine accident, you knock some chips off the top of your stack and over the line? Should they be declared a bet? If you answered no to any of the above questions, you've proven that betting lines can't possibly be the be-all and end-all for deciding action. [B]Common sense and dealer / tournament director judgement MUST prevail.[/B] Note too that the above three situations are all innocent violations - we haven't even looked at deliberate angle shoots. [/QUOTE]

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