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Message: [QUOTE="doncaster, post: 2353409, member: 65764"] sometimes no amount of hard work will help. For example i have been playing golf for 15 years but my skill level , despite playing 3-4 times a week and practising as often as possible,has brought me up to a level of being a good weekend hacker. Poker I have been playing for 8 year or so and I play too much ( I know !!) but I am still an amateur who has lost more than won $$$$$$$. It is hard to beat luck,no amount of skill will get you past all the donks and fish out there. Even hellmuth (the best poker player in the world---according to HIM) never featured well in the WSOP 2013 . [/QUOTE]