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Message: [QUOTE="cotta777, post: 2129627, member: 93414"] I think 50 pros against 50 grand masters their is not really an edge in a tournament. MTT's someone has to get lucky and stack another player several times and that can be any one good player who knows enough about the game to win a tournament. the only one true factor I personally believe works for the true greats are instincts. Phil ivey cant and wont lose when he's reading perfectly, its as if he knows you are going to fold or he knows his hand will win at showdown pre flop. this is the only pure factor you can use that a grand master would have and for the average pro... their is no way of playing against it - if someone instinctively senses the outcome of a hand you cannot win that hand [/QUOTE]