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Message: [QUOTE="Bombjack, post: 449280, member: 11914"] Rocks make plenty of mistakes pre-flop, by folding the best hand, and/or folding when they have the implied odds to call. You're right though when you mention that these mistakes aren't as expensive as mistakes on the river. It's true that the most profitable players are looser than the average player. Loose players have a higher variance, but within the bounds of error, average winnings are the same whether you're tight or loose. It's this average which is the important stat to look at. It would be good to get a bigger database to repeat the test on. Results could also be different depending on the limits involved. I would expect in Limit hold'em, tighter play is more favourable since more hands go to showdown and there aren't the same implied odds to play. [/QUOTE]