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Message: [QUOTE="Poker Orifice, post: 1786085, member: 33113"] Actually it isn't just an 'assumption so far'. There's been documented cases (read my post above) where 'after the fact' guilty parties even openly admitted that they were doing this, claiming 'ignorance' at the time. They even advertised it. (google search MaxKatz (well-known russian backer) & get out your google translator & check out some of the Russian poker forums. You might be in for a surprise!) I'm sure there's been many like this (could also try searching out Sorel Mizzi as there's documentation of AIM chat where he's attempting to make plans with other players in attempt to set up a ring of this nature). [/QUOTE]