Villain 3bets, you reshove or call when pot commit?ted

blix177 said:

Would you ever cold call a 3bet when you know you are pot commited.

Say you have 12BB. You bet 2.2BB from mid position. Villain from the botton raise to 7.7BB.

Is it better to call the 7.7BB and do a stop and go, and all in on the flop? Assuming you have a decent hand like a 88s.

I am sure many would say they would have shoved the 99s. That hypothetically that isn't the question.

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gryphon3005 said:

I'm a little puzzled by your question. You are asking should you put another 5.5bbs in the pot to call leaving you with 4.3bbs? And then what, you plan to bet your tiny remaining stack on the flop. I can't see what your strategy would accomplish. If your opponent bet 7.7bbs pre-flop he sure isn't going to back down after the flop to a 4.3bb bet.

Your only choices here is fold or shove pre-flop and, with 12bbs and pocket 8's a shove is the only play to consider.

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blix177 said:

Think that is the objective of a stop and go. And wondering would this create more fold equity.

The idea is if you reraise pre flop, the villain would call for certainty. But if the villain brick hard on the flop say AQS or 9s hand that came out as K76 of hearts.

Then it makes calling on the flop vs a flop much harder with only 2 cards to improve.

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eetenor said:

Thank U 4 posting

The issue with your strategy is the limited number of players that would check the flop and then fold getting 4-1 with no further bets possible by U.

Stop and go is most effective to get folds when the V has to call multiple large bets post flop and does not want to jeopardize their stack. Non of those factors are present in this situation. On your example AQ calls just in case you bet AJ on that flop or as you had 88 and V would be gettin 4-1 the exact odds AQ needs to profitably call U

Hope this helps

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blix177 said:

So in essence if you are committed to go all in, it doesn't matter are we going all in preflop or going all in on the flop?

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