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Message: [QUOTE="nevadanick, post: 1229103, member: 27547"] Never said it was 'all or nothing'. There may be many who can be in live chat forms with other players and not cheat. Then there are those who only see it as an undetectable opportunity. Unless a person happens to be the Sunday Millions winner with a ~$200 buy-in and ROI is HUGE, winnings are often rated in "BB/hour" ... yes? no? ... If you are a good/decent winning player and have a 50BB win rate, what happens when that one player in one hand has a 'partner' (or two) and they AIM, MSN or Skype their way into [B]JUST ONE[/B] 100BB full stack win? Only has to happen once every few hours for you to become a losing player, wondering 'wtf ... must be variance' .... Correct. At least at the tables I can see what is happening. I also know there is an eye in the sky watching as well. Table stakes ... makes chip dumping and collusion a bit more obvious. Online you are at the mercy of all the ills that anonymous humans can devise. I'll go back again to the PStars stats. Over 200,000 players online. Are they ALL honest poker players? Even if the potential thieves and scammers are just 10% of the players, which of the 20,000 unidentified thieves is sitting at YOUR table? A more realistic figure might be 20%+ that WOULD cheat if they could. If their buddy is online. If the table is right. If .... etc. Which of these 40,000+ cheats is at your table? Add multi-tabling to the equation and the question begs to be asked ... how many TABLES are these 40,000 potential thieves infesting? Where I first came to realize the potential for this is in the 'password protected' freerolls and private buy-in games. Info is passed quickly and efficiently by chat, e-mail, live sessions, cell, MSN, Skype, AIM, etc. Do these thieves actually stop at password sharing? Of course not. They are blatant thieves without scruples. They WILL take your money any way they can. I don't consider myself 'paranoid'. But I don't feel I am equipped to protect myself from online theft at poker sites either. At least in live games, card markers or shady dealers are few and far between. Collusion is always possible, but far more detectable on live tables. All that I am saying is that there are many players who ridicule the 'rigged' conspiracy theorists while not giving enough credit to the potential for 'pick-pocketing' by your table neighbor. Issues like the one that created this thread are the early discoveries that can eventually ruin online poker security and safety. [/QUOTE]

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